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Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« on: September 04, 2013, 08:12:50 PM »
The president has recommended to congress that the U.S. get involved in the Syrian civil war following the recent chemical attacks in in the country.


I am firm in the belief that we have no business getting involved in this fight, and congress should follow the UK's House of Commons in the decision to hold off.


Your thoughts?




e: Senator Sanders from VT echos a lot of my sentiments on the matter:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=efa542de-3059-4bd6-a05f-f74d0e1771a3

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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2013, 08:43:33 PM »
This is the last thing out country needs to dirty it's hands with. We have enough issues as is, pissing away money into a war that doesn't even effect us is just stupid.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2013, 08:47:14 PM »
Yeah...Syria is an awful idea, we should have learned from our mistakes in Libya...backing Al Qaeda isn't a good idea, no matter who they're fighting. Also...Putin is backing Assad and do we really want to go about starting the damn Cold War over? Or worse considering how nutty Putin is...
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2013, 06:03:24 AM »


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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2013, 07:09:27 AM »
Not our problem.  Maybe we found the chemical weapons from Iraq  :lol:

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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2013, 09:28:50 AM »
Not our problem.  Maybe we found the chemical weapons from Iraq  :lol:
Actually...most of the speculation was that they shipped them off to Syria during the opening days of the invasion, so you're probably right.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2013, 06:57:48 PM »
Don't care.  Stick a few cruise missiles up Assad's ass and call it a day.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2013, 07:42:39 PM »
Don't care.  Stick a few cruise missiles up Assad's ass and call it a day.
Yes, because yet another hardline Muslim Fundie country is EXACTLY what we need in the region. Although it will be interesting to see if Iran and everyone threatening to attack Israel if we attack Syria actually have the balls to do so.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 09:34:37 PM »
Can't just switch off the US war machine. Too many back pockets still need to be lined

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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 07:57:24 AM »
Can't just switch off the US war machine. Too many back pockets still need to be lined

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Actually, this is more about Obama trying to show everyone he's a tough guy.  His whole "My reputation isn't on the line..." speech is BS.  He sent it to congress for a vote, so it IS his reputation on the line.  He's just trying to throw the Republicans (actually, congress as a whole) under the bus so he doesn't have to take a hit on this.  The next democratic candidate can say "Hey.  The Republicans could have voted no..."  It's a big political game.

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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2013, 12:32:25 AM »
Yes, because yet another hardline Muslim Fundie country is EXACTLY what we need in the region. Although it will be interesting to see if Iran and everyone threatening to attack Israel if we attack Syria actually have the balls to do so.



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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2013, 07:37:11 AM »
Somehow I think it would be more motivated this time.
The rebells are fighting for democracy (that's how it started at least)
It's muslims vs muslims, the rebels are not more fundamental.

There are 2 million Syrian refugees spread over mainly europe.
Nothing works.
Women and children are targetted.
WMD's have actually been used.

The UK have said no due to the last debacle where Tony Blair stated the US had proof of Iraqi WMD's which turned out to be bullshit.

With Putin siding with Assad it do not seem like a good idea. And WW3 is not what anyone want.
But 5 million civilians are suffering immensly at the moment.

Obama stated a long time ago that if Assad used WMDs the US would have to act. Assad did it anyway. And that is Obamas and the US creadability on the line.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2013, 09:13:09 AM »
The WMDs being used in Syria right now are very likely the ones that at some point were possessed by Saddam and Iraq. We have no definitive proof which side used the gas, or if it was even a one sided exchange, hell they could both be slinging gas at each other for all we know. Getting involved there is a mistake for any outside country. Let them have their civil war...stop playing world police. Nobody invaded us during our Civil War, nobody invaded Russia during their revolution...let these people settle their shit and then see where we stand. Honestly, I don't see how the situation could get much worse than it already is.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2013, 10:54:47 AM »
It's pretty clearing comming from the german intelligence and some others that it had been in the making for awhile.

The uk have authorised export of the main sarin ingredient for some years as well. That path is at least as likely as the Saddam trail. The latter has not been up as a possibility in the news here. Doesn't really matter.
Same as the actual being iraqi wmds are not of concern for the uk decicion so far. They just can't trust US intelligence and they can't trust one guy.

I don't think the US should intervene either. But I think it would be more warranted then the Iraq invasion.
If the UN confirms it was Sarin I think more countries will support Obama.

Many countries I think like to support some kind of mediation and the US. But it won't be based on US intelligence only.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2013, 11:08:09 AM »
We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. Everyone else in the UN expects us to constantly step up and world police shit so they don't have to, but 10 minutes later they are vilifying us. I think Iraq and Libya were huge wastes of time and resources...and Syria would be more of the same. The supply trail also possibly leads to Russia from some stuff I've read too, so that would probably explain why Putin is in bed with Assad.
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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 01:13:28 PM »
It's pretty clearing comming from the german intelligence and some others that it had been in the making for awhile.

The uk have authorised export of the main sarin ingredient for some years as well. That path is at least as likely as the Saddam trail. The latter has not been up as a possibility in the news here. Doesn't really matter.
Same as the actual being iraqi wmds are not of concern for the uk decicion so far. They just can't trust US intelligence and they can't trust one guy.

I don't think the US should intervene either. But I think it would be more warranted then the Iraq invasion.
If the UN confirms it was Sarin I think more countries will support Obama.

Many countries I think like to support some kind of mediation and the US. But it won't be based on US intelligence only.

The US intelligence community wasn't the only one who said that Saddam had WMDs.  The problem was that no one wanted to share sources.  Had that occurred I'd like to think someone in at least one of the countries would have said "Hey...this all comes from the same guy..."

Anyway, as stated we were probably right.  Syria is probably using Iraq's WMDs.

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Re: Syria and the U.S.'s possible action
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2013, 01:17:09 PM »
There kept being reports of convoys of trucks leaving Iraq during our initial bombing and invasion...hmmmmm
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