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1990 Talon TSi AWD
« on: April 05, 2013, 02:12:16 AM »
Purchased for $2600. Visually, it's pretty rough around the edges but it runs strong and it's going to be a fun project. It needs a clutch. On the highway, the clutch slips if I floor it in 4th or 5th. The syncros for 2nd and 3rd are going (grinds if I'm not careful). My goal is to swap the clutch in the next few months. At the same time, I plan to send the trans off to Shep Racing to have them do a stage 1 rebuild while it's out. I figure if I'm going to pay someone to do it, I want the best guy in the business.

The head was rebuilt, new timing belt, tensioners. It has a full 3" exhaust. Megan rear strut bar and a giant K&N filter. Has an aftermarket boost gauge and a manual boost controller. The car doesn't have power steering or A/C. The A/C compressor is still mounted to the motor but there's no hoses or anything. The P/S was completely pulled at some point. I have all the parts (I might still need a reservoir -- I can't remember) in the hatch from the guy. He had everything just sitting around. I want to install it eventually because the manual steering is a pain in the ass at low speeds.

A couple pictures from the day I got it:






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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2013, 02:15:02 AM »
The stock radio didn't work when I got it. The separate cassette player would turn on but the radio itself was shot. Probably a bad ground. The previous owner (not the guy I bought it from) had a system in it so it may have something to do with it. I picked up a cheap Sony stereo plus a bracket and wiring harness from Crutchfield. Went in pretty easily but I had to use my Dremel to cut away parts of the plastic bezel that goes around the radio. There was originally a center bar that I had to remove completely. It looks good enough for me.




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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 02:24:09 AM »
The driver's door lock and hatch lock didn't work when I bought it. I thought maybe the locks were replaced. I pulled both locks and went to a locksmith to see what they could find. Turns out both locks were just seized (none of the driver's lock tumblers moved, 90% of the tumblers in the hatch lock still moved). He said there's nothing he can do (I think he's just fucking lazy) and that I should just buy new locks.

Fuck that.

I found some info on DSM Tuners from other people who had similar issues. One guy had a couple pictures and some info about taking a lock apart and cleaning it up. He also linked a wiki page for 3SI cars with even more details about it. I picked up some CLR and PB Blaster this morning. After dinner tonight, I set to work around 9pm. I finished the locks around 1am but spent another hour or so finishing a few other things.

Getting the rods clipped back in to the driver's door handle was a complete pain in the ass but I got it done. The hatch was no problem. I'm 99% sure that one of the driver's lock tumblers was missing a spring. I never saw one come out with the tumbler and it wasn't in the slot. So, I just took a spring from the hatch lock and left one of the tumblers out on that one. No big deal.

Like in the 3SI wiki that was linked, I did notice that even after putting the driver's lock back together, it still wouldn't turn because two or three of the tumblers weren't completely flush with the housing when the key was in. I just put the key in and ground them down to flush with my Dremel, then took sand paper to it to smooth it out the rest of the way.

This was time consuming but also very fun (besides the reassembly of the door handle). It was neat seeing how the lock works and, when I put the driver's lock back together and the cylinder turned with the key, I was pretty overwhelmed with excitement.

Hatch lock before CLR (this one most of the tumblers still moved):



Driver's lock after CLR and a rinse before disassembly:



Hatch lock pieces before cleaning:



Driver's lock after cleaning and ready for grease + assembly:



You can see where I ground down tumbler #1 and #3 to make them flush. I believe there was one on the other side too:



Just another view of the ground tumblers:



Reassembled and ready for installation:


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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2013, 09:44:46 AM »
Wow... Kudos on fixing those locks. I'm way less intimidated by the prospect of fixing my rear tailgate lock now.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2013, 10:34:59 AM »
Yeah it's actually not that hard. It's time-consuming and very detailed but as long as you pay attention to what you're doing (specifically the order of the tumblers), it's not very difficult.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 06:47:00 PM »
Did a full brake job today (new rotors, new pads, greased slide pins) because I was getting some shuddering at highway speeds.

Hmm... wonder why.



Turns out all of the slide pins were completely seized. In the case of this rotor/pad, there was some brake hardware sticking out that dug in to the rotor.

My clutch seems to be slipping a little more often now, too. Sucks. I'm really thinking the rear seal might be leaking on to it. It seems to slip so inconsistently. Doesn't really matter though. I want to swap the clutch and get the trans rebuilt anyway. Going to change out the seal while I'm in there even if it's not bad. Just have to drop the oil pan.
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 09:46:13 PM »
Great little car to play with! Hope you have fun with it and keep us posted! :D
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 07:49:49 AM »
My clutch seems to be slipping a little more often now, too. Sucks. I'm really thinking the rear seal might be leaking on to it. It seems to slip so inconsistently. Doesn't really matter though. I want to swap the clutch and get the trans rebuilt anyway. Going to change out the seal while I'm in there even if it's not bad. Just have to drop the oil pan.

Look like we'll be taking that clutch, and now trans, out sooner than expected?

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 12:00:56 PM »
Yeah. My goal was to do it sooner rather than later anyway. I figure as soon as we move and I can get the car in the new garage, I want to start the tear-down.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 09:18:28 PM »
Got my new clutch today. A guy on DSMTuners bought it and never used it. Picked it up for $260 shipped. It's normally $300 without shipping from Shep's website. It's only a Stage 1 but it should be plenty for a while. I'm making near stock power as of right now and don't expect to put much money in to power adders for a little while since the cluch and trans rebuild is going to cost me a pretty penny.


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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 10:04:25 AM »
It always makes me grin when I see "Stage 1", 2, 3 etc  :lol:
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2013, 12:05:10 PM »
Yeah, same here. I always think about Gran Turismo when I see that. It's actually a pretty good way to discern between different performance levels but it is kind of funny.

From what I've read, this clutch has a 44% increased torque capacity over stock. It should hold me out for a while.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 10:07:47 PM »
Depending on how much power you're planning on making, you should definitely be good for a while. My old Talon's stock clutch survived a decent amount of abuse with bolt ons and an Evo 3 16g before I got rid of it.
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 11:24:42 PM »
That's what I figured. I'd love to be 400+ but I've got a lot of time before I expect to even potentially be in that range. At that point, I can consider a stronger clutch. For now, I want something with plenty of driveability.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 11:01:25 AM »
Exedy yuck, they're okay for replacing stock if you aren't making power.
But you'll really want to consider something like a ACT2100/2600 when you get to the 300-4000 range.
My laser was at 500whp+ with the 2600 and 4 years of abuse still strong. I think the current owner still has it now 2 years later.

if you ever got any questions or anything let me know!
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2013, 11:12:17 PM »
Somehow I missed your reply.

I know a lot of people are using the ACT 2600. I was also considering a Southbend replacement but it was almost double the price. I figure the stock clutch is fine for stock power with some room to grow so this Exedy one should be fine for a while. If I have to replace the clutch in two or three years, so be it. I don't expect to make a lot of power in short time. My next major mod will likely be DSMLink and learning about tuning.

I ordered my rebuilt trans. I spoke with Jack, the owner of Jack's Transmissions, through email and he suggested the 1.1 rebuild + 4-spider diff upgrade based on my goals. They rate it at 400hp with the 4-spider but he said the '90 gearset is a little stronger and will likely support 500. Ordered a new clutch pivot ball and clutch fork as well because the new forks are an updated design that's supposed to be stronger. Added 4 qts of Redline MT-90 trans oil as well since that's what they recommend.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2013, 11:07:40 PM »
Well, I finally got the garage cleaned up enough to fit it in there. Just in time to pull the trans this weekend. They were originally going to rebuild a core and ship it to me before I pulled my trans but the 1990 DSMs used a "unique" transmission that isn't compatible with any other years and they're having trouble locating a good core. Tim at Jack's Transmissions said he would be more comfortable if I send mine in for a rebuild because then he'll know 100% that I'm getting back exactly what I need. He's getting some packaging materials and a shipping label sent out to me (should be sent out tomorrow) so I can get the trans back to them for the rebuild.



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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 01:04:34 AM »
That Metal button.

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013, 07:51:24 AM »
I never even noticed that. I have no idea what it does. :lol:

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2013, 02:26:00 PM »
I forgot you bought this car....looks like you're coming along nicely with it!
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2013, 03:23:00 PM »
I almost forget I bought it as well since I haven't driven it a whole lot. :lol:

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 03:34:28 PM »
Damn I wish I was ballin' enough to have cars I forgot I owned :lol:
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 04:18:36 PM »
I don't know if a combined cost of vehicles being $3500 is baller status. :P

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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 04:35:16 PM »
Hey...they both run and drive, thats more than most folks have!
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Re: 1990 Talon TSi AWD
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2013, 04:37:37 PM »
Typical DSM, amirite?



Just a sneak peak of what went on yesterday to pull the trans... I'll post more later. It's been a very busy weekend. I need to get a shower, do some grocery shopping, and return some broken tools to Autozone.


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